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William Vandry BJJ in My Eyes - November 2010 - The Cain Velasquez Attitude vs. The Brock Lesnar Effect

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3rd Degree BJJ Black Belt William Vandry, posing in front of some of the students at his quarterly seminar at Vandry Brazilian Jiu Jitsu in Austin, Texas - June, 2010

By Professor William Vandry (3rd degree Black belt BJJ)

What an incredible performance by Cain Velasquez over Brock Lesnar.  The absolute dominance, and destruction of Lesnar proved Velasquez is not simply a fighter or competitor, but a thinking man’s fighter.  When I viewed the fight, Velasquez, who is a purple belt in Brazilian Jiu-jitsu, did a very smart strategy against Lesnar.  He showed not just his striking, but his Jiu-jitsu tempered Lesnar, and shut down his attacks.  Velasquez stated that he trained specifically all positions, and his excellent wrist control of Lesnar when he was in the guard position to shrimp out and go back to his feet was not radical, panic, desperation, it was a good strategy.  He did his homework.  He reviewed his opponent.  He did an excellent job of being a working man’s fighter.  Lesnar on the other hand did precisely what I thought he would do.  I told one of my Black belts Cain was going to win this fight, and studying both fighters, I explained in my opinion why.

Usually if I review fights, I need to know a lot about both fighters.  I need to see their past fights, good points and bad.  When Lesnar fought Shane Carwin, I stated Carwin should win, BUT I was always worried that he had not gone past round one.  Carwin’s victory over Frank Mir actually made me think of his very powerful punching.  What I mean by this is not the amount of punching; I noticed that he was home running every shot.  This drains a fighter.  If a fighter does not finish an opponent, usually they will tire out, ala the Carwin vs. Lesnar fight.  Carwin himself has a purple belt in Brazilian Jiu-jitsu, and probably is better technically than what we saw when Lesnar got the pillow choke.

“Fatigue makes cowards of us all!”
-Vince Lombardi

Carwin stated in an interview that he had no legs and was cramping.  This is very difficult for any athlete.  I remember a tournament years ago I competed in when my opponent and I went at 100 mph and after two minutes neither one of us could move very much.  I was a purple belt at that time and it definitely taught me a lot about pace, conditioning and grip control.  It’s amazing when you can’t even move your fingers.

Many times in class I do quicker rounds or longer rounds.  It usually depends whether or not I am conditioning students for a tournament or just daily training. I note that Cain stated a very important point about his preparation for all positions and angles specifically for Brock Lesnar’s game.  This fantastic strategy is what determines a fighter over the long run.

One of my purple belts a month back competed in a tournament in Dallas.  His training at best was not consistent due to work and he wanted to jump in at the last minute.  Those are not the best things to do, but competition is enticing and challenging, and it’s always good to test yourself.  I did a specific drill with him training round after round with higher ranks.  He started gassing and I had to change his strategy to defend better and to survive lack of conditioning with a better pace and defense.  The strategy worked, as he took second in the tournament.

This type of attitude is how you develop into a better athlete, competitor and most important of all, understanding yourself internally better.  Everyone knows their quitting point, but delaying exhaustion, tiredness or bad positions can lengthen your battle for a longer period.

Velasquez knew Lesnar was going straight for the takedown, and I had a strong feeling he would too.  Lesnar did pretty much what I expected him to do.  He has size, mass and power.  He has a wrestling background, and like Velasquez, he too was a Division 1 wrestler and very successful.  His strategy was to take Cain down and do what he did to Shane Carwin.  Carwin was prepared to go blow for blow, wrestling and even some wind, but he was not prepared to end up on bottom.

 

When I train at my academy, I work with my purple, brown and black belts specifically on bad positions.  I have done this my entire career, and it started when I was a white belt.  I saw UFC 3 when Royce fought Kimo.  Royce had an injury, it was hot and I heard that he took a cold shower (just rumor, not for sure), which may have given him the shock that eliminated him from the finals.

I really paid attention to the back mount Kimo got for a second when holding the fence.  When I was a white belt, I tried to practice not getting choked, so I would let other white belts get my back, hooks in and all.  This helped me analyze the defense, and till today I still work on these defenses.  I don’t mind being in bad positions because you have to develop your defense.  You have to work on bad positions.

Cain was prepared for any position.  I felt he did a good strategy using his Jiu-jitsu.  One advantage he took was one Shane Carwin did not.  He did not try to simply swing until he got tired, he paced.  When Lesnar went down Cane very intelligently applied the knee on stomach.  Had Carwin done this it may have helped his finish as well.  Velasquez also did not swing when Lesnar got his legs up.  He raised his arm, and then stepped around to land the punch, not simply swing from a distance.  The knee on stomach was one of the pivotal moves on the ground against Lesnar.  Even though the strikes ended it, the basic side control and knee along with passing the guard were good fundamental Jiu-jitsu Cain kept in his holster.

Great attitude.  Great performance.  These humble developments practicing not simply your strongest points, but your weaker ones too are what develop a great attitude like Velasquez has.  Doesn’t run his mouth, doesn’t act arrogantly, he just performs and speaks humbly.

The Lesnar effect

Let’s review Lesnar.  A world-class wrestler that has physical gifts.  Striking is not his strong point, although a strong punch could be.  He is capable of punching hard.  I think Lesnar has good athletic ability and his wrestling is his strong suit.  He has trained ground and works on a fundamental wrestling/MMA strategy.  Takedown, pin, squeeze or hammer fist to pummel.  That worked very well for Mark Coleman and Mark Kerr a while back.  Look at what happened.  When Coleman gassed he was in trouble.  Same with Kerr.  And its not as if these athletes did not have energy, they simply had a pace that cost them in some of their matches.  Coleman was the best fighter on earth at one point, UFC champion and Pride champion.  Kerr too.  However, once you are over 225lbs., pace is one thing but when you are 275 and up such as Lesnar, it usually will not last five rounds.

So where does the Lesnar effect come in vs. Velasquez attitude?

Lesnar had a pro career with the WWF now WWE.  He was a star and promoted by a man who I think promotes better than any other promoter in the world, Vince McMahon.  McMahon is a pro wrestling promoter, and has a successful pro wrestling TV show.  McMahon also has tried promoting other sports, such as the one-year now defunct XFL football league, which was to compete with the NFL, and the WBF, which was a bodybuilding organization he started by contracting many of Joe Weider’s Mr. Olympia candidates.  That too defused after one event.  You would think he would try MMA promo, but perhaps the money still isn’t there.  No million dollar contracts yet.

Ok, back to Brock Lesnar.

On ESPN’s website, Cain was interviewed and kept making points about staying calm and following the game plan.

Cain mentioned Junior Dos Santos and his talent, and even stated he was the best striker in the heavyweight division.  This type of humility and giving credence to other fighters is what makes him what he is, a class act.

Lesnar polished his already strong game.  However, like so many athletes such as Coleman and Kerr, when the homerun doesn’t happen, there is no back up plan.  Lesnar was rocked and when he fell he definitely was unable to gain his stability.  Almost happened with Carwin, twice is difficult to overcome.

When Lesnar lost he made a statement that Cain was the best man that night.  His choice of words has never been great.  I think when you lose, lose gracefully.  No one ever likes to lose.  I lost a 0-0 match once where I almost got a knee bar, I almost got a clock choke and a sweep, while my opponent did not advance, nor did he score one point against me or try any aggression.  I pulled to my guard almost 20 times that match and my opponent kept backing out.  I knew at 0-0 it can be anyone, and my opponent was very polite and respectful afterward.  I told him, hey no worries, next time maybe.  Despite my dominating the action, there is still no excuse.  This was my standard to myself.  You always tell yourself you should have finished the opponent or done better or prepped better, and then you go back to the books.  Brock could have really capitalized this, and despite what host Joe Rogan stated, Brock could have gained even more fans with a bowing of the head, good luck and I will be back speech.  When he beat Couture, his poor words set back a public perception of all of us, and especially in the MMA.

It’s going to be difficult to get Mom, Dad and the kids to watch these types of personalities with athletes, and this is one reason we aren’t competing with the national championship or the Super bowl.

In his preflight interview, these comments were made:

“I don’t think Cane Velasquez hits as hard as Shane Carwin.”

“We’ll find out who the true champion is and its not Cane Velasquez.”

“Mr. Velasquez, you are not better than Brock Lesnar and you will find out come fight night.”

  1. Brock Lesnar

 

Ouch.

Losing anything is difficult.  When I was a child, I remember a classy pro boxer named Alexis Arguello.  Alexis was one of the greatest boxers of all time.  He lost to a very talented fighter Aaron Pryor.  In their rematch, Alexis was stopped, and when knocked down, he didn’t get up.  He could have, but it was not a quitting, gutless giving up.  It was a respectful bowing out to a superior fighter.  Alexis was always a class act, bless his soul.

 

When Couture lost to Lesnar, he didn’t make excuses, he didn’t run his mouth.  Randy is right there with the great Alexis Arguello.  He showed grace, tact, respect and most of all, understood his fans were viewing him the whole time and had to watch how he spoke in public.

When Lesnar made comments against Frank Mir in their rematch, he received a chorus of boos.  You have to start with a humble approach.  You need to always speak in public as if children were always listening to you.  You don’t badmouth anyone publicly.  In my career, I have never made a public post badmouthing people, its not professional and it rejects the philosophy of the martial arts.  You can do your talking in the ring or on the mat, but never derogatory statements.

Lesnar can adjust to this.  He had a great chance when discussing his medical condition before his Shane Carwin fight.  To overcome a serious medical condition and to win a championship fight was a great springboard for him.  He has his own manager and he is his own man.  He will do whatever he does.  I think fighters need to look at the old days, such as the days of Marciano and Jersey Joe Walcott.  They always spoke with respect and honor among themselves and always publicly.  And they were all loved and admired alike no matter who won or lost. 

This effect on community is what stands best.  Rickson Gracie was one of the greatest fighters of all time, and was ahead of everyone in his prime.  When the Mark Kerr and other wrestlers came in, there were different styles of grappling coming to play.  Rickson always spoke philosophically, and admirably.  I always listened to every word he said.  He spoke of the bushido or warrior code when he fought, and his spiritual philosophy.  I enjoyed that and would like to see more of that.

I have a student that resides in Chicago, Illinois.  He is a brown belt under me, and has been doing very well in MMA.  I told him a little at a time, don’t rush your career and always keep your humility.  He speaks well, and is a class act and never runs his mouth.  He will be a well-known fighter and may even fight in Strikeforce or the UFC one day.

To be a complete fighter all angles must be trained. 

I remember years ago when my instructor, Master Carlos Machado made a comeback fight against one of Rickson Gracies’ black belts.  When we talked about it, he joked and said: “Did you think I might have lost?”

I told him: “Not at all.  I know your capabilities, your attitude and your champion heart.”

I did know he was going to win, and I did know he was going to win the Masters world in 2000, both weight and open class.  My instructor Master Machado gives you the perfect philosophy and attitude.

Brock can change.  He is still in his prime, and has a great opportunity to review his style and come back.  I think he has a lot of weapons.  I think what many posted online about him simply being big or strong is not the truth.  Lesnar is also a world-class wrestler and an athlete.  He can come back, and he will look at what happened this fight.  I think the strategy was not bad against Cane, as a top game may have been good, but Cane was prepared for that.  Lesnar may have been prompted by promoters to be the bad guy, sometimes they like that to stir up the crowds.  However, look at a more humble approach, and you will be loved twice as much.  Good luck to Brock, hopefully he will heal and still be in the game, but special congratulations to UFC champion Cane Velasquez for his humility, his grace, his gentleman nature and his class that should be exuded by a champion.

 

Absorb, and think.

Professor William Vandry, (3rd degree Black belt BJJ)
www.austinbjj.com

Vandry BJJ Academy: Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, Mixed Martial Arts (MMA), Muay Thai Boxing & Judo - Austin, Texas

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Good Words!

Solid words on humility and grace...even (and most importantly) in a losing effort.

I feel part of the humility for Brock, if he wants to succeed as a world-class fighter in MMA, will be to realize he is just another fighter and either train with a proper camp where he is just another fighter, or bring in people who will treat him as such. Flying people into your own camp and having this idol-like persona will not push you to your true limits; it will not test and improve your weaknesses.

It is apparent that nobody has ever hit Brock in training like Carwin or Cain hit him. With such a few number of fights this can be excused as part of the maturation process....but Brock now knows his weakness(es), and should work hard to improve them. In my mind that means joining a camp where the competition treats him as just another fighter, and he will get hit like any other man.

Thanks for making us think William! As always!

-Rob Furlano

great review and insite

Wonderful article thanks for posting it!

i'm not thinking that lesnar

i'm not thinking that lesnar has had to work that hard to be a champion before due to his natural size and ability. he threw it all at cain. cain took it and lesnar had nothing else to offer, other than that slick breakdance move at the end of the fight.

i used to really dislike lesnar, because he brought the classless showmanship of the WWE to our sport, where the fighters generally have respect for each other and demonstrate that before, during and after the fight. it seems that since lensar was sick, that has softened him a bit. he's still not a nice dude, but some of his bravado has dissipated... wish him well going forward.

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Thanks for commenting Maestre

Thanks for commenting Maestre Machado!

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Good point Doc, I think in my

Good point Doc,
I think in my opinion when you have two good wrestlers, its usually the one that lasts longer or gets a break. I thought Couture technically was better than Lesnar when they fought. I also thought Lesnar was alot bigger than Randy, but I still look back at that clip on the top of Randy's head. Randy was out conditioning Lesnar as well, as Lesnar was breathing hard going into Round 2. I also thought it may have helped if Randy would have kneed Lesnar's thigh when they tied up on the fence to wear those legs down more. Cain has faster, sharper wrestling, Lesnar has more of the straight on double or single, take down and pound. That game plan needs a backup, and I note that carrying close to 300lbs. is very difficult after about two minutes.

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Awesome article, brother!

Awesome article, brother! Insightful and right on the money! Great
reading!

both of those guys are

both of those guys are fantastic wrestlers. that usually cancels itself out when they are both that good. cain was just better. it was good to see cain be able to fend off brock's brutal takedowns and pop back up to his feet. you could see other fighters wilt under the pressure of his ground and pound in past fights. cain seemed to have a great gameplan for that.

i'm not sure if cain had a knife or dynamite in his gloves. brock's face sure showed the evidence of a beating on it...

and only a purple belt, huh? that's encouraging.

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Good point Doc, I was really

Good point Doc, I was really surprised to see Cain both take Lesnar down and get up so "easy". Good ol' single leg huh?

single leg

oh, and yes, the mighty single leg takedown!!! my all-time favorite.

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Respect and Calmness

Really enjoyed this article and how you've discussed carrying oneself with honor and respect. Also, pointing out how calmness is so important. In the video Cain talks about how he was telling himself to remain calm. I've noticed how just telling yourself that helps so much, and is especially vital against a bigger opponent. Great article!

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Great article as usual.

Great article as usual. Giving some more insight and keep me in the right track. I love this sport and planning on sticking around for a while. One thing that caught my eye was the practicing for being in bad position. That's also exactly how I feel. While training here in Afghanistan, those experienced wrestler or unexperienced grappler, they all give me some perspective and learn how to get out under it. Thanks for the tip.

Giac Ly

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I have sent this to my

I have sent this to my assistants, and I have loved the reviews, enjoy this one!

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Attitude in Afghanistan

Sometimes the worst thing is take what people said out of context.
I'm not saying that this is a good attitude, but I understand where they are coming from. These are professional fighters competing at the highest level, who understand the risks of having this do-or-die mindset. Ultimately it's their decision to make; whether they should tap out or take the consequences. The trouble starts when brand someone new to this art and adopt this kamikaze, all-or-nothing attitude during training. I agree with "the more you tap, the more you learn."
After the first week of Army Combative training in 2005, I was severely injured by grapple with so many different Soldiers over 3 weeks courses of 8 hours/day training. I had tapped and tapped, but did not learn a thing. For starter, I am not afraid to tap, but for an all out gung ho trying to get a quick win, I ended up injured so bad could not trained for months. But I did learn to enjoy the art.
Master Carlos Machado had posted "...every defeat, there's a lesson learned..". I agreed with this 100%. While we're here deployed in Afghanistan. I had learned that lesson and started training my Soldiers right. There was one Soldier from other unit came by and visit, claimed himself as purple belt. After 2 rounds with me, I did not have enough move and techniques to tap him out, but he could not break my defense to get in. Back at VBJJ, a blue belt will have me break down in matter of minutes. So what was wrong with this picture? He was surprised after I told him I am only a white belt. Shook his hand and tell him to come back and train anytime, we can both learn from each other. I could had tap early and easy, but as a purple belt, I expected him to have better skill and I would not give up that easy for that level.

So I told my Soldiers, when you're just getting started, don't be afraid to tap early and tap often to prepare further injury. We can survive to fight another day....